my computer crashed so i am not fully informed of the recent antiwatchtower organization.
i must vent, however.
perhaps i am the only one on the face of the earth (or the entire universe) but i found cedar's opening announcement insulting.
Were you expecting an invitation addressing you as "Your Majesty"
When I first saw the thread with the announcement, I supported the effort and was asked to fill a volunteer form. I did. I will try to make my little contribution, despite the absence of a personal invitation, despite the absence of any kind of recognition, and despite the minor flaws of the leaders. Many of them have worked a lot harder than the critics to help fight the Watchtower harmful and wrong headed doctrines.
hello again folks - as promised in my last thread here, i've been working on turning yearbook statistics into excel spreadsheets.. coincidentally, today is my 25th birthday (spare a thought for a fader).. i've now updated the spreadsheet with yearbook data all the way back to 1988 (the year i was born), therefore it now contains 25 years of statistics.. there were a lot of countries changing around and for some it was possible to create a continuation of data.
some are a simple change of name like south-west africa to namibia.
others, for example - in 1993 with czechoslovakia splitting into two countries (czech republic and slovakia) i have added an extra row that provides a continuation of the data, combining czech republic and slovakia back together as if they were still one country.
Thank you for all that work. I hope to see comments soon. I tried dowloading one file but never appeared in my folder of downloads. At this point I quit. I always fear those companies providing free services. Appreciate if someone can advice as to the safety of downloading files from these companies.
hi everyone.i have been reading the blogs here for some time and have just decided to have an in put.
i am still a current member of the wts and am sort of planning to fade.
i realise 2 things (1)i have to build bridges in order to replace the ones that will crumble behind.
Welcome Joe,
You need new bridges. There's plenty to be found here. I live in L.A. I am not a JW, therefore I am not going to shun you. PM me if you are in the area.
yes, i already know the atheist's anger towards god, and the attempts to erroneously state that he advocated genocide, which .
i am ready to hear all the anger directed towards the god that these men and women state that they don't believe in.
they might as well be angry with the fsm.
Angry at God? No. Angry at the humans who use books of supersition written 2 or 3 millenia ago to manipulate and control the lives of others in the present time. Isn't it obvious to you Christ alone that the god of the Bible is a god that belongs to the time when "his" book was written? The entire morality belongs to that era. Today, that morality is completely anachronistic and therefore that book is too. The only way to keep it up to date is creating all kinds of convoluted theodicies.
sorry for my english, i'm just a beginner.
i have recently been thinking of why prisoners are often visited by pastors and not atheists?, and i have also wondered what an atheist would tell to comfort someone who is in prison.. for instance, what will you recommend for an inmate to read if you visit him or her in a prison cell?, "god is not great- how religion poisons everything?
" or "what does the bible really teach"?..
Words of comfort to prisoners:
"If you don't improve your behavior/ethics you are going to rotten here and if you get worse you are going to the gallows"
"Jesus will forgive you 77 times, but in California you get three strikes and you are out"
What's better to straighten out the prisoner, 77 chances or 3 chances. I vote for three. Between 77 victims and 3, I take three. In fact, Jesus would take three if he lived today to see how wrong he was about trusting human's repentance.
Limit fiction to movies and entertainment.
i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.
i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.
therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.
I have looked at all the observations recorded on VAT4956 and applied them to both 588/587 BCE and 568/567 BCE using the same astro program the Watchtower's researchers used. Following rigorous criteria the results are zero matches for 588/587 BCE as Neb II 37th year. But I found 34 matches out of 36 for 568/567 BCE.
The only way to get few lunar position matches for 588/587 BCE (using the WT scheme) is by ignoring the fact that you are using a fabricated calendar that is not attested by the thousands of known dated tablets, creating thus a calendar year that starts at the "wrong month" (a month late). You can get few more lunar matches by ignoring the non-visibility of the first crescent for the first day of the month on the fabricated calendar, creating thus a calendar year with at least three months that start "at the wrong day of the month" (one day too soon). Even overlooking all the trickery of the WT, the best you can do is get no more than 8 matches for 588/587 BCE.
Regarding time intervals and planetary positions you have a 100 % success rate for 568/567 bce and 100 % failure rate for 588/587 bce.
CONCLUSION: 587/586 BCE is the date for the fall of Jerusalem according to the Bible itself.
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1. i'm thinking of creating a 'pro-jw' facebook page.
You should pretend to be a WT apologetic using the flimsy arguments from the WT, I am sure a well informed "apostate" can take you on "your argument". At some point you weaken your arguments until you look like you have been thoroughly defeated and embarrased by those "mentally diseased". That may get some converts to the dark side.
i mentioned in a thread some weeks ago ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/244078/1/first-public-talk-as-an-apostate ), that i was invited to give a talk at a symposium about cults.
this will take place at the first weekend in may.. i'm going to talk about the difficulties you have to face when leaving the jw.
yesterday i've got an another invitation to speak to a senior year class in a middle school.
Sounds great!
since i joined the forum i noticed more than a few people have not been posting, what is going on?
i received a couple of emails from other groups asking me to join their new forms with a promised technology, i wondered how they got my email address and thought it be strange.. .
people during the first year of a great change might post daily to any support chat or message board they feel is going to aid them.
Missing Leolaia,
If Simon doesn't bring her back I am leaving.... OK, OK I will reduce my visits only.
sensible, safe sex, in my opinion, should be engaged in.
because, as you get older and are ready to settle down, you will look at your potential sole mate, not for sexual reasons, but for what they have to offer mentally and if they are compatible.
when religion restricts this, and yuo must marry to have sex, i believe that you doom a marriage at the outset, because these young folks marry out of lust, only to have the rose colored blinders pulled off later, and regret the entire arrangement... .
one of my JW nephews is 24 and never has kissed a girl, unless he is living a double life. The guy is good looking and girls do go after him. I am pretty sure he is heterosexual. The point is, he is wasting the best, most potent years of his life for submitting to the stupid morality of the bible and few other books. I agree with marriage as a contract to protect the offsprings, not to regulate the most joyous act two consenting humans can have (of course I make exception for chilfren).
